bill clinton in 1992 the democrats talked about how they ran a campaign confronting the attacks in the room. barack obama ran the campaign -- >> host: but that was before fox news was invented. >> guest: that was going back to the time in the 80s using the distortion and the scorched tactics to attack your opponent always on offense with the school of politics. obviously he didn't invent that school but he was better at it than anyone else and it's important to point out that he banned the campaign in 2012, defining mitt romney as a private equity type that likes to fire people, the famous 47% video. those were roger ailes style attacks. it was successful defining romney as many americans were out of touch, i think ailes legacy will be that politics now is considered a zero-sum game and partisanship is the alternate goal and both the left and the rights now -- if you look at the polarization in congress, the politics now is about trying to get all of your issues across the finish line rather than seek compromise. >> host: and you think this is different from how congress operated 100 y